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Big 10 TV deal taking shape (6 Viewers)

David Webb

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NBC eh

Notre Dame would be dumber than shit at this point not to join
Why? They are eligible for the playoffs and it’s highly unlikely that will change; especially considering the playoff expansion talk. They are looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 75 million per year from NBC and don’t have to deal with conference scheduling or their rules. They have 5 games required against ACC teams and can schedule whomever they want for the other 7.
 

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Why? They are eligible for the playoffs and it’s highly unlikely that will change; especially considering the playoff expansion talk. They are looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 75 million per year from NBC and don’t have to deal with conference scheduling or their rules. They have 5 games required against ACC teams and can schedule whomever they want for the other 7.
They are asking for $75 million from NBC..are they going to get it?
 

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They are asking for $75 million from NBC..are they going to get it?
No idea, but I would imagine they have an idea what they should be valued at. There’s a reason why the Big 10 wants them to join so bad even though they don’t add anything to the conference footprint.
 

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FOX, CBS, NBC look likely to win Big Ten deals
by John Ourand, Sports Business Journal

Barring a last-minute change of direction in the Big Ten's media rights negotiations, ESPN will be without the conference's football and basketball games for the first time in 40 years. With Big Ten negotiations nearing an end -- I'm told agreements could be reached by the end of this week or push into next -- CBS and NBC have emerged as the clear front runners to pick up Big Ten rights alongside FOX Sports.

ESPN still is negotiating with the conference, and as long as they're talking there remains the possibility ESPN could wind up with a package. Remember, Chicago-born Bob Chapek graduated from Indiana and earned an MBA from Michigan State, creating deep Big Ten roots between the conference and Disney leadership that can't be overlooked. Conversations with several sources describe ESPN on the outside looking in with a bid that is not big enough to secure a deal. All it takes is a Chapek phone call to increase that bid.

FOX agreed to the "A" package months ago. As part of its deal, it will carry a football game on the broadcast network at noon ET, plus football games on its cable channels FS1 and BTN, in which it holds a 60% stake.

The conference's deals with CBS and NBC are not finalized. But it looks like the two networks are in the lead to split a "B" package. CBS would pick up games for the 3:30 p.m. ET window, and NBC would carry games in primetime. NBC's streaming service, Peacock, also would wind up carrying some games. Amazon has bid on these packages, but sources described CBS and NBC as the clear front-runners.

The Big Ten is expected to be the first college conference to eclipse $1 billion per year in rights fees once all is said and done.

If ESPN does not get a package, it would end one of the longest-standing sports media relationships in the business. ABC started carrying Big Ten games in 1966, and ESPN cut its first deal with the conference in 1982.

If ESPN moves on from the Big Ten, look for the company to be especially aggressive in trying to secure Big 12 and Pac-12 rights, as well as renewing its deals with the NCAA Championships and College Football Playoffs.
 

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Big Ten media rights: What we know as negotiations enter final stretch
by Nicole Auerbach, The Athletic

The Big Ten is poised to deliver a stunner when it finalizes its media rights negotiations at some point in the coming days. Barring a last-minute surprise, ESPN is not expected to land one of the Big Ten's packages, a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations confirmed to The Athletic.

In addition to FOX, which had locked up Big Ten rights months ago, the conference is likely to partner with both CBS and NBC. Such deals, if finalized, could result in the following Saturday slate: a noon ET game on FOX, a 3:30 p.m. ET game on CBS and primetime on NBC. Multiple sources involved in the negotiations have reiterated over the past month that the Big Ten has prioritized exclusive windows throughout the process.

Sports Business Journal first reported the developments and noted that ESPN is still negotiating with the Big Ten, so there is still a chance the network will end up with a package. If ESPN does not end up with any Big Ten football and basketball games in this round of negotiations, it will be historic. ESPN has carried Big Ten games for the last 40 years; it has shared rights with FOX in the current deal, which is set to expire in 2023.

The Big Ten is also expected to add a streaming package, though it is not yet clear if that will go to Amazon or Apple, a source told The Athletic. Both companies have significantly increased their investment in live sports programming in the past year.

Here's what we know about the potential options:

How ESPN losing the Big Ten impacts its battle with FOX

If the Big Ten were to move on from ESPN, this would add quite a bit of fuel to the fire brewing between ESPN and FOX. ESPN has exclusive rights to the SEC, and FOX would have primary rights to the Big Ten -- so, the rivals would each be backing a different horse as the two 16-team conferences are set to pull away from their peers by the end of the decade. What could that mean for programming decisions? Framing? Future media rights tied to an expanded College Football Playoff?

Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren opposed early efforts to expand the CFP last winter, in part because CFP expansion prior to the end of the current contract (which expires in 2026) meant that ESPN would have an exclusive negotiating window. Warren has long advocated for the CFP to have multiple media partners, which many in the industry have taken to mean FOX getting involved.

What Warren has envisioned for college football's premier postseason event is akin to the NFL playoffs: Multiple media partners broadcasting different rounds and investing more in their coverage of the sport year-round to support that.

What this means for the Pac-12, Big 12 and Notre Dame

If ESPN doesn't get a Big Ten package, you'd have to think this bodes well for both the Pac-12 and Big 12, whose rights are coming up next. The Pac-12 opened its exclusive negotiating window with ESPN early in the aftermath of USC and UCLA's move to the Big Ten.

What is perhaps equally -- if not more -- interesting is how Notre Dame fits into these developments. Could NBC's relationship with the Big Ten help push the Irish toward joining the conference? With longtime rival USC and a footprint that now stretches from Los Angeles to New York City, the Big Ten believes it has never been more attractive to the independent Irish. The checks that the conference is about to hand out to its members thanks to this new media deal won't hurt either. Multiple outlets have reported that the Big Ten is seeking to eclipse $1 billion in rights fees per year in its new deal.

The impact on future conference realignment

The Big Ten's decision to add USC and UCLA earlier this summer sparked another wave of speculation about super conferences. Though the SEC and Big Ten are both going to be at 16 members apiece by 2025, the expectation throughout the industry is that neither league is going to stay at that size forever.

But there has not been any major movement since that news broke at the end of June. The Pac-12 is beginning to work through its media rights deal and figure out what it is worth to partners without the L.A. schools. That is likely the next important piece of the puzzle, as will be any sort of contractual relationships that tether the schools such as Oregon, Washington and Stanford to the Pac-12 for a set period of time. The Big Ten opted to add just two schools back in June. Now that the media deal is nearly done, could it look further into the possibility of a western wing? If the Big Ten really wanted to, it could look both to the Pacific Northwest and the Bay Area. That could give the conference inventory for the Saturday late-night TV window -- a fourth window, for those keeping track at home -- and also allow for easier travel opportunities for all sports for the L.A. schools.

Could the new media rights deal and relationship with NBC convince Notre Dame to make a move? The Big Ten would surely act quickly if that becomes a possibility.

These potential decisions did not need to be made and locked in before the Big Ten signs this deal. Multiple people involved in the process told The Athletic that they expect that the league's contracts include triggers that would either allow for renegotiation in the event of conference membership addition or incrementally adjust the payouts automatically in such an event.

Where could a steaming package land and what could it look like?

Scott Dochterman, college football staff writer: Big Ten officials were tepid about a streaming-only option because of the risk of alienating fans like it did when BTN launched in 2007. Those administrators grew more comfortable with streaming potential throughout the late spring and early summer.

The NFL debuts a weekly package on Amazon Prime beginning this fall; Apple TV streams an exclusive MLB game on Friday nights and MLS inked a 10-year deal with Apple TV beginning in 2023. Other college leagues have streaming options as part of its media-rights arrangement but not an exclusive package. Amazon Prime long was considered the favorite to pick up the Big Ten's streaming rights, but Apple TV rejoined the negotiation following the USC/UCLA expansion announcement on June 30. NBC's Peacock also could become a stand-alone streaming option if the linear network wins a Big Ten package.

How could viewing windows play out?

Dochterman: An industry source said Big Ten officials approached school administrators this spring about revisiting options for Friday night or mid-to-late November primetime kickoffs. Currently, the Big Ten schedules four Friday night kickoffs with only two outside of Labor Day weekend.

The league's media rights agreements with FOX and ESPN allow for network-controlled primetime scheduling through the first weekend in November. From the second weekend onward, both schools must agree for a game to move into primetime. However during the pandemic in 2020, arrangements were made for additional late-November primetime kickoffs. By adding UCLA and USC, weather won't be a major issue for primetime kickoffs as it is in the Midwest and East Coast.

It appears the Big Ten will air games in all three coveted windows: noon, 3:30 p.m. and primetime on linear networks FOX, CBS and NBC, respectively. FS1 and BTN, of which FOX owns 61 percent, also will spread out kickoff times. Big Ten officials have asked schools to consider joining Cockeye-Nebraska as a second Black Friday option which now could be in play with USC and UCLA joining the league in 2024. To this point, all have declined.
 

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Imagine the pro SEC rhetoric out there when ESPN doesn't have any B1G media rights.
Footballscoop wrote about it. Will ESPN just completely stop talking about the Big10 like it did to the NHL? And will that hurt the Big 10? I tend to think that ESPNs reach isn’t as powerful as it once was.
 

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still unable to watch any games with my rooftop antenna that only picks up the PBS affiliate. Kent Pavelka and Gary saddlemeyer it is for this old farmer.
 

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From Pac-12 insider and CFB writer John Canzano


ESPN shut out of Big Ten? If true, great for the Pac-12
by John Canzano

The Sports Business Journal posted an interesting story on the Big Ten's media rights negotiations. John Ourand, a very good reporter, had the goods:

Barring a last-minute change of direction in the Big Ten's media rights negotiations, ESPN ill be without the conference's football and basketball games for the first time in 40 years. With Big Ten negotiations nearing an end -- I'm told agreements could be reached by the end of this week or push into next - CBS and NBC have emerged as the clear front runners to pick up Big Ten rights alongside Fox Sports.

Some rapid-fire thoughts:

- This could be a leak, designed to tweak ESPN for a few bucks. A couple of industry insiders that I communicated with wondered if the news was the Big Ten doing some public negotiating. Keep an eye on that.

- Does the Big Ten think NBC can help steer Notre Dame into its arms down the road? I wondered when I read the story. So did some others. The Big Ten would love Notre Dame in the fold. The Irish covet their independence. I took a deep dive on that on Sunday.

- NBC might want to position Notre Dame as a lead-in to the Big Ten's weekly primetime game. Or it could flip flop the two products, week to week. Doing so would give the network a consistent Saturday football schedule.

- I also wondered if the Big Ten was trying to cannibalize some of the revenue that would have potentially gone to Notre Dame in its next deal. There is only so much money to spend and every dollar that the Big Ten eats is one less for the Irish, right?

- I floated that idea to Bob Thompson, the former president of FOX Sports Networks, on Monday evening. He said, "Problem with that is Notre Dame could walk down to ESPN and get a deal done in about 10 minutes."

- Thompson also added, "If ESPN is on the outside that's very good news for the Pac-12."

- Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff told me on media day that the conference would wait to see what the Big Ten did with its deal before acting. Meaning, the Pac-12 will allow the Big Ten to set the market and see which networks are left on the outside, looking in. If ESPN is really not getting any Big Ten games, it's not just good for the Pac-12, but also the Big 12, which will need to eat, too.

- I've written a lot about a "loose partnership" between the Pac-12 and ACC. I continue to hear this is a real possibility. ESPN may lean hard into making that happen if they don't spend any money on the Big Ten.

- Imagine non-conference crossover football and basketball games between the ACC and Pac-12 on ABC/ESPN. Also, imagine conference championship week in the college football season where the ACC champion is pitted vs the Pac-12 champion in Las Vegas. No. 2 vs. No. 2? No. 3 vs. No. 3? Basically, a late-season festival, presented by ESPN?

- If ESPN's relationship with the Big Ten is indeed over, it would signal the end of a long-running partnership. Ourand pointed out in his piece that ABC started carrying Big Ten games in 1966. ESPN cut its first deal with the conference in 1982. But this era of college football appears to be the place where traditions go to die.

- USC and UCLA know what I'm talking about.

- CBS lost the SEC games in the last round of negotiations. It needs inventory in the 3:30 p.m. Eastern Time Zone window on Saturdays. So CBS makes a lot of sense as a partner for the Big Ten.

- This whole thing is being positioned by some as an ESPN vs. FOX battle. Industry experts don't see it that way. During the NFL season, does anyone see it as a FOX (NFC) vs. CBS (AFC) battle? Or do we just watch football? Thompson, the former head of FOX Sports Networks told me, "Saturdays are just gonna look like Sundays."

It's just business, folks. I'll have more as this develops.......

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The price for Notre Dame to turn its back on the Big Ten is set
How much do the Irish need to remain independent?

Notre Dame loves its independence. But we'll soon find out what that autonomy is worth when it comes to college football media rights and NBC.

The Irish have been with NBC since 1991. The current deal pays the university an average of $15 million a year. It expires in 2025. The Big Ten Conference would love to include Notre Dame as a member.

FOX's deal with the Big Ten is expected to result in distribution to conference members in the $75 million to $80 million range.

So what happens with Notre Dame and NBC?

I turned to ex-FOX Sports Networks president Bob Thompson for the answer. He's negotiated a number of big-time media rights deals with a variety of sports conferences over the years.

"They have always taken a bit less TV money than others to retain their independence," Thompson said. "As the gap widens, though, I have to think that they will have to get a significant increase to make it worthwhile to continue as an independent."

Notre Dame's current deal with NBC is backloaded. The Irish receive $22 million this year and will get $24.75 million from NBC in the final year of the deal. Notre Dame also receives $12 million-a-year in distributions from the ACC, where it's a member in all sports except football and ice hockey.

Total take in that final year of the deal: $36.75 million.

The Big Ten may covet Notre Dame and its golden brand, but as long as the Irish have access to the football playoff and a competitive pile of media rights revenue, they don't need the conference affiliation. But what does Notre Dame need in total annual distributions to justify being independent?

Thompson's estimate: $78 million in 2026.

Plus, four percent annual increases.

That's the bar the Big Ten's $1.25 billion deal with FOX is setting. If you assume the ACC distributions to rise in a way that is consistent with the market (3-4 percent annually), then NBC needs to increase its payment to a minimum of $65.7 million in 2026 to keep Notre Dame happy.

Dennis Dodd, of CBS Sports, recently reported that Notre Dame is "targeting" $75 million a year in payouts. Thompson's estimates dovetail nicely with that figure. But there's another wrinkle to consider.

Said Thompson: "Notre Dame does very well in the College Football Playoff payout area, especially considering that they don't have to share any payouts with other conference members."

The payouts for an expanded playoff are expected to increase dramatically. Navigate, a Chicago-based data and consulting firm, demonstrated that an expanded, 12-team playoff would serve as a windfall.

It modeled what a 12-team event would have distributed annually had it existed from the inception of the playoff. Notre Dame was projected to reach the playoff 30 percent of the time and receive an average annual payout of $44 million, per Navigate. Best of all, the Irish wouldn't have to split its playoff distributions like other conferences do.

Annual Payout Per Conference
Average Annual PayoutAverage Teams in Per Year
SEC$407,828,6763.1
Big Ten$314,267,8362.4
Big 12$282,578,4971.8
ACC$280,723,5121.4
Pac-12$269,439,0161.7
AAC$68,680,7820.6
Mountain West$61,260,8390.3
MAC$55,695,8820.2
Sun Belt$53,222,5680.1
C-USA$50,749,2540.0
Notre Dame$44,553,1380.4
TOTAL$1,889,000,00012

Notre Dame could join the expanded Big Ten, sure. But it would have to compete with Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and others for playoff spots. Or it could just stay independent, rake in media rights money, and have an easier path to the playoff.

I'm hoping Notre Dame turns its back on the Big Ten. Not because it couldn't compete, but because I think moving to the Big Ten would further destabilize college football.

The Irish are an interesting part of the college football ecosystem. Operating as an independent, Notre Dame helps keep the playoff door open for outsiders. Moving to the Big Ten would aid that conference in its quest to gobble up more playoff spots. (For that reason, I suspect the SEC might secretly want the Irish to stay independent as well.)

What does Thompson expect to happen?

"So as long as Notre Dame can get NBC and ACC payouts that get it in the mid-$78 million per year and they have a continued, guaranteed path to the College Football Playoff I really expect them to sit out this round of realignment," he said.

That's the number.

I"ll bet NBC and the Big Ten know it, too.
 
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That Flugaur guy was posting ND's home schedule in 2024 (NIU Miami Ohio Stanford Navy Florida St Virginia Miami Fl) -- it's hard to see how that is anywhere near as valuable as having 2nd/3rd choice of Big Ten game each week. FSU and Miami can be good games depending on where those program are at that point in the year. Stanford is OK. The rest? Yeesh. You would have to do some financial gymnastics to say that that slate is worth something similar to the Big Ten on a per team basis.
 

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That Flugaur guy was posting ND's home schedule in 2024 (NIU Miami Ohio Stanford Navy Florida St Virginia Miami Fl) -- it's hard to see how that is anywhere near as valuable as having 2nd/3rd choice of Big Ten game each week. FSU and Miami can be good games depending on where those program are at that point in the year. Stanford is OK. The rest? Yeesh. You would have to do some financial gymnastics to say that that slate is worth something similar to the Big Ten on a per team basis.
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